thanks for your quick reply, thought i was the only one up this late.. lol Just a further note on the yellow messages.. i understand what you are saying, and will ignore..just that they, particularly the last error about the camera position ..showed up only when this issue with the CV's began. kinda makes me think that somehow the program is not "anchoring" the CV's to the way i log out? As for logging the server off, yes in the process of trying to solve or diagnose things, i did do a server restart.. then when that didnt work. i stopped the server. and did a restart. As well, the only other player that plays with me on the server came on a day later and diagnosed with me, as in told me what he saw on his console, and how my cvs looked to him, ie skewed from normal look.. I know he logged off when I did as i could watch from the Telnet window. Also i had a look 'only' in the logs of the game as well as some of the other files to see if anything to my limited knowledge 'popped' out at me as something awry, but nothing is easily visible to me. Edit: Just thought i would add, this behaviour seems to Only affect the multiplayer game on my server, and not single player... of which i purposely tested..