Resource size 15 .. MASSIVE o.o

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  1. Tina Pedersen

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    Start planet: Akua


    I went to Ningues to settle down, and, to get hold of some resources.

    When i saw the numbers, i thought to myself, that building a small mining station, would prolly be a good idea...

    I was SO RIGHT! o.o

    Below, is the result, after me draining a size 15, from ALL its contents of iron. Yeah, i have been "scraping" the sides, because... you know .. i want it ALL!! o.o Still though... LOOK AT IT !! o.o
    Could fit a CV in there o_O

    Number of Elevator Bloks: 15 (18 counting the VERY top one. 15, is when i hit the Iron Ore)
    Number of Drill Cartridges used: 45-50 ish
    Total number of ore: 8391

    Time taken: Roughly 3 Game days.
    Station Content:
    1 small generator
    1 large fueltank
    1 Fridge
    1 Co2 Tank
    1 Co2 Station
    1 Turret on roof.
    X amount of lights to light up the cave. (STILL had pitch black areas...)

    Them pictures...
    "Tower off invertness" o.o
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    OOOORE!! <3 *nom nom nom*
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    Dun be afraid of heights, when going mining :S
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    The miningbase, from outside:
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    (Edits: Added more pictures, numbers and text.)
     
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  2. Navonil Mukherjee

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    You have some patience man.... what will you do with all those Iron??? thats over 16000 Ingot... you probably could make a road system all over the planet.. :p

    BTW deposit size 20 is also exist in the game .... looking forward to see your stat on those too .......
     
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    Tina is probably a girl ;)
    And yes I agree, this must have been a much of work and spending of drill charges.
     
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  4. Tina Pedersen

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    Well.... Ammo, and drill charges, use metal ingots...
    Then theres CV to create.... An SV to re-design ... omg, sooo many uses o_O

    SIZE 20?! .... nuts :S .... none of those here on Nin though :p
    Going to drain everything up here, before i move on to omicron, and that lava planet thing....
    Planning to stuff the ore at my Ningues HQ, as that´s pretty heavely fortifyed, and... well, mah core, and storage space, is WAY below ground, out of reach for any pasky drones....

    Speaking of Drones... havent seen ANY for a looong time, even though i slappped down that mining base.... nada :S
     
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  5. LiftPizzas

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    Yeah the ore yield seems to be in the ballpark of (1.33 * size)^3.

    At that rate a size 20 would yield about 19,000 ore.
     
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    That is incredible. largest deposit I have run across is size 11. Damn good idea building a base right over a deposit of that size to use elevator. makes getting out MUCH easier :)

    Now what would be sweet is to build a base inside that cavern..... prob would not have to worry about drone attacks then :D
     
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  7. Tina Pedersen

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    I fought off 3 waves... havent seen any, since then :S
    and yea.. makes entr/exit/oxygen/food/light SO much easier :p
     
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  8. Luis

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    Just curious, does anyone know what the unit they measure the size is? Biggest is 20... 20 what? In my own head I'm thinking it has to do with it's diameter... like 20 blocks wide at the center. I'd be interested to know how many elevator blocks fit between the top of the where they ore started and the very bottom. Kinda hoping it is 16 for you, Tina.
     
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  9. Tina Pedersen

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    Could VERY well, be 16 blocks, from ore start, to ore end ... Tore the shaft down a long time ago LOL ... Also, started a brand new game.,.. But, there´s a size 12 metal ore nearby... could test it there.... elevators for height meassure, and use normal blocks at the widest place :)
     
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    After mining ~8500 Iron you started a new game???? :eek::eek:
     
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    Sometimes the chase is the fun part :p
     
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  12. Tina Pedersen

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    Yer, i did ...
    Had a moment of insanity i guess....
    Ran completely out of ideas for a CV, and decided to try out the strength og the black station near the asteroids....
    Let´s just say, i died with honor ....

    And... felt i went to Ningues WAY too fast.... never even depleted the resources on Akua... and, even skipped Omicron LOL ...


    Atleast now, i have a better understanding, of what i want, and HOW to design my bloody ships o_O
     
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    Capital Ship: Deathstar :D
     
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  14. Tina Pedersen

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    Capital Vessel ... ugh... ill make me a flat set of blocks, and litter it with guns, and see how goes LOL

    Working like a bish on a brand new base .....
    So far... "Power Room" is 50% done .....
     
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  15. LiftPizzas

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    It seems to be the radius in meters. When you are digging your way toward the deposit, you will start hitting the ore when your distance reading (in meters) is very close to the "size" number.

    Also, I dug out size 3, 4, 5, and 6 deposits, and the yield vs prediction by the formula (1.33 * size) ^3 was pretty close as shown below.
    75 (63)
    153 (150)
    296 (294)
    557 (508)

    I've gotten huge variability in ore from the same deposit (digging it out 12 times from copies of the same savegame) so the prediction would be an average not the exact count you can expect every time you dig out a deposit.
     
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    So, we know that the deposit size is indeed the diameter width in blocks. Using what we know about calculating spherical volumes we can see clearly that the "stuff" in the deposits goes up exponentially. Did a quick chart to see it visually.

    ore yields.jpg

    You can see that a size 15 deposit has over 3x a size 10. A size 20 deposit has about 8x as much as a size 10 and should also take you 8x as long to mine. Another way to look at is finding a size 19 deposit is the same as finding a size 18 AND a size 10!

    (The volume is just a unit of measurement and doesn't represent the actual pieces of ore you will get)
     
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    Assuming (1.33*size)^3 is right below is the yield for each deposit size..
    Deposit -- Ore amount
    1 --2.3
    2 --18.8
    3 --63.5
    4 --150.5
    5 --294.0
    6 --508.1
    7 --806.9
    8-- 1204.5
    9 --1715.0
    10 --2352.6
    11 --3131.3
    12 --4065.3
    13 --5168.7
    14 --6455.6
    15 --7940.14
    16 --9636.4
    17 --11558.5
    18 --13720.5
    19 --16136.7
    20 --18821.0
    Can some body confirm it?? size 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 15 are very close. If confirmed, I will then include it in wiki..
    But it more match with output of size 3,4,5,6 using [2/3 * 4/3 * pi * (size)^3]
     
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  18. LiftPizzas

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    Yeah it's close to either formula, I actually started with the same "2/3 * volume" formula.

    Also to note: the yield can vary a lot. The one I mined out 12 times gave results ranging from 52 to 116 ores, on a bell-shaped curve.

    Mining out more deposits and reporting the results would give a more accurate prediction. But, IMO either formula's prediction is close enough, and the noise level of random variation is going to be far greater than any extra accuracy we get. (The most efficient way to improve prediction would be seeing the source code. :D)
     
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  19. Luis

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    The formula for volume of a sphere is: 4/3 * pi * r^3. what you have to remember is that the deposit size is actually the diameter, not the radius. so it becomes 4/3 * pi * (size/2)^3. The volume unit in the chart is really cubic blocks since that is the unit of measure we began with.

    Given enough info for how much ore you pull from a specific size we could come up with a general idea for how much ore you get per cubic block and then figure out the yield for any size deposit.
     
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    I had a similar sort of idea, but you digging out a 15 made my size 9 seem a but sad :(

    One thing with the lighting though; use the worklights instead. They're twice as bright and require zero power
    2015-10-18_00003.jpg
     
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