I've been watching the recent chat in the 'What did you do in Empyrion today?' thread with interest and decided to make this thread as a place for us to continue that discussion. The core discussion is on ship size & class, and individuals expectations of the performance for each subclass. Please bear in mind that this discussion is more about mechanics than balancing. If we can agree on a reasonable set of mechanics first we can then work on how these would balance against each other without too much overlap. For example it seems fairly universal that people expect fighters to be SVs, highly agile, fast, and with limited warp potential, or none at all. Another example is that many feel that CVs should remain pure space transport/home base vessels. There are also many subclasses (eg: Dropships) that don't really fit within current class divisions very well. One of the thoughts that keeps popping back into my head is the classes themselves. CV, SV, HV I think I'd like to see those remain as 'Size classes' and have a new set of actual ship classes appear. This would allow us to set individual restrictions and/or bonuses for each type. Fighters - SV - All SV weaponry, No constructors, no fridges, 1 storage Scouts - SV - Minigun only, Constructor, fridge, 1 storage, Bonus to speed Transport - SV, CV - Minigun/minigun turret, No const, no fridge, unlimited storage Carrier - CV - Approx 1/2 of available turreted weaponry, Constr, fridge, unlim storage BattleShip - CV - Full weaponry, no Constr, fridge, 1 storage etc. A simpler alternative could be to introduce Medium Vessels. Likely using CV blocks but with a different set of available items. These would be the things that you send down to planets to drop off your ground expeditions, more atmospheric based weaponry than CVs, but less things like constructors, solars, etc. We could then have a docking chain as such: HV/SV -> MV/CV, and MV -> CV. I'm just throwing out some ideas that have been bouncing around in my head, I'd like to hear other views and ideas as well, let's get this think-tank bubbling!