I think this thread would match tomorrow's date. The Topic as such belongs to me to the cathegorie of the 'flat earth theorists'. It is completle false, but not under one premisse: String Theory says that our whole universe is a Membrane only, and in such a description and relation, the saying the earth would be flat (as a Membrane is) becomes true. Issue is: 'Those' guys refer to the physical object we experience. Back to Topic: Surprise surprise, it's 'a' narcist Thesis. Meaning (Philosophical): The earth should be the Center of our univerese, in a caring and sharing way. It is our home, and we should take (alot more) care of it. Instead we trade our finite REAL resources (water, food) with an infinite IMAGINATIVE one… (Money nowadays even more so, as Money becomes digital ;; Money only works because we belive in, as itself, it is worthless) Meaning (Psyco-Logical): 'We' have had this discussion several hundred years ago. I belive, that (some of) todays scientists have a hard time to accept that the universe is as vast as it is. They need something to feel important, Maybe even we as a global Society Need something of the like. It is common human natrue that we need to feel important, otherwise we're suffering Depression. Further, we live in a time of absolutism, fanatism and excesses while beeing 'led' by 'blind' People (Berlusconi, Merkel, Trump, Erdogan, etc) As the leaders of the nations are, is usualy a representing of the People of that Nation, either willingly (elections) or not (dictatures), not the less, People of dictatrues, 'have to be' the way the are - to survive. Back on the Course now…. People cant stand to be alone. People cant stand the Feeling of not beeing important. They search for a SOMETHING to indicate their worth -> with our planet in the Center, this would greatly underline our 'worth' - because the Center is important, isnt it? Oh yes, there is only one Center of the universe 'I care' about, that's the black hole of our Galaxy, which is the cause for the milky way to exist. But the universe is not flat, the universe is not small. So you can stand on top of a mountain, and everything around you seems evenly distant -> are you at the Center of existence? No. You just have a good view around you. If you climb on another mountains top (another planet/Galaxy), you'll have the 'same' view, just with a slightly different perspective. But you'll still have the virtual Impression of beeing the central Point -> caused by our limited perception of Things. Are you aware of the 23-dilemma? Brieflly & simplified: If you search for certain numbers, you'll suddenly find it everywhere. And usualy you stop looking further once you have found what you searched for -> "why search more, you got what you wanted"?... My very personal experience is this (today even more than 10 or 20 years ago!!!): In todays world, People start to deny reality they dont like, as they only 'focus' on the parts they do like (and then call that proper 'reflection'). Claiming that everything else is 'negative', but reality is not only About things one likes… Thus, if such said People get into Position of (scientific, or any other) leadership, we get an even more Twisted Image of what they claim to be our 'reality'. Such People are (often) fanatics, and the beviour is like... some People want to build a wall through their Country.... like in the WW2 in Berlin Germany, oh wait.. or today in America…. History repeats and Idiots have the lead. People that call the loudest for Progress, are most often those that remain in old habbits the most! Meaning (Reliogous): AFIAK not allowed on Forums, thus i only say this: Read the Vedics (hindiusm ; Bhagvad-Gita and the Srimad Bhagavatam -> the only 'religon' I had found (personal perception) that actualy explains things), and you'll understand/(agree with) at least 90% of my Arguments. So much for the 'Center of the unvierse'.... Lets talk about the Simulation... I make this one Shorter But first a few one-liners: * Reality is abolute personal. * Reality is shared. * There is more than 1 reality.* There is no single thruth. * Every coin has 2 sides, every dice has 6 (or 12, or 18, or 24...). While we walk on our planet, we percieve Things according to our experience and teachings. Thus there are 'cultural shocks' if you visit another Country, but sometimes these may happen by just visiting a (new?) friend. Ever drank milk straight from the cow/goat? Still warm? Ever ate a Living worm? Gross? -> But you do eat parts of a decaying corpse everyday -> meat? Just pointing out. What if… Our bodies were our 'Avatars'? Our minds/thoughts would be our 'real selfs'. Our emotions would be only a reflection of the Body reacting to some Input data of the sensors (eyes/ears/brain) which is process' according to our programming (eduction, teachings of parents, experience) This is Nothing new. At least not to the vedics, but I assume many other - if not all other - religons have an issue with this topic. (as this would, in conclusion, defy their purpose alltogether). While this is all 'nice n stuff'.... the Point of the issue is this: Whatever you experience is YOUR pesonal reality, the Person next to you might percieve the very SAME situation VERY different. Regardless, you' both describe the same SHARED reality of 'facts'. This is true wether you're in a Simulation or in the real world. What is real, matter? Matter is only a Collection of space with fast turning parts called Atoms wich creatve the Illusion of solid matter. To me, it's not a question of "IF" we live in a Simulation, but how the REAL reality will look/feel/behave like! Have a happy Weekend
"There are two possibilities ... Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying " Arthur C Clarke One of the reasons for the first to be true is the egocentrism of existence: the human species will increasingly find itself special. One of the reasons for the second to be true is the destruction of egocentrism of existence: we are not special, we are just another species. Both are equally terrifying
As a Hindu I do not agree with the modern scientists. I trust the oldest whose been out there and seen the universe from top to bottom. They say we live in a closed space and the earth not the center. The whole interior of the universe is rotating around a planet called Dhruva loka or Pole star in Eglish. Also saying our solar system is the only one and geocentric. There is a lot of information in the Vedic texts, and not easy to understand, and accept from our extremely limited 3 dimensional perspective because the writer see all the 13.
Anywhere you are, from your perspective is the center of things. Look to the horizons and you are centered in the middle of everything. It's a matter of time space when you get into the vast reaches of space. The farther out you look, the farther back you see. It seems that you are at the oldest part of the universe anywhere you are. Every way you look you see things as they used to be when they were younger.
The issue with personal experience and religion is that it's personal and can't be tested, we have to take them by face value Science isn't perfect and consciousness is in fact one of the biggest mysteries in science to this day Scientist and religion and philosophers have tried to define it since the dawn of time and I actually prefer to take the kabbalistic approach in which consciousness is god and we are but his way of expressing it but like I said it comes down to personal preferences As for science we can test it and we may like it's results or nor but anyone can always review the data and facts and come to his own conclusions And that is exactly what we can do with data like the Cosmic Microwave Background, some will just disregard and call it nonsense without even validating the facts but that won't make it false or invalid will only mean those are happy with the reality they have But the truth is, the reality we have nowadays needs concepts like Dark Energy and Dark Matter to survive, which also means we have to take most of it by face value at this point, not much different than religion....
I was reading a bit about simulation theory last year and watched a bunch of videos regarding it and the double slit experiment and other things that made the universe seem like a simulation. These particular things interested me a great deal. That double slit experiment also, which proved particles have no sense of direction until they are physically observed by the naked eye. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_effect_(physics) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment Working on a branch of physics called supersymmetry, Dr. James Gates Jr., discovered what he describes as the presence of what appear to resemble a form of computer code, called error correcting codes, embedded within, or resulting from, the equations of supersymmetry that describe fundamental particles Some interesting stuff out there anyway. I think we are getting closer to something.
Dark Matter and Dark Energy are models within which the data can be fit to try and create an approximation, nothing more. Reality and science are related insofar as observations give consistent results which we are then able to categorize and formulate into patterns. Science doesn't care whether you believe in it or not, but we've accumulated so much of it that it does require believing in the earnest efforts of countless other humans staring out at our crazy complicated Universe. Depending on how you think about and model reality in your mind, religion and science may seem similar, but the rigorous math and logic of scientific observation are very different from an artistic expression of human-centric experience and emotion--though creativity certainly aids in exploration of new frontiers.
The Vedic science can be tested, but very few people want to do the experiment according its rules and regulations. So it is an instant failure, and there is the belief there is a shortcut somewhere with empirical evidence. That is why we are here for time memorial.
The great thing about science is that anyone can carry out an experiment. As long as you have access to the tools you need, you can record your results and present them for others to test. No one individual, organization, or belief system has some secret key to the knowledge of the universe. It's only through hard work, dedication, cleverness, and a bit of luck, that we will discover the secrets of the universe. Science is the best tool we've created to do that. Science discovered the language of the universe which we'd use to communicate with any alien species we encounter. Science is universal.
How should I record when I'm in love or broken hearted, what tools I need to present to others to test? God has many names one of them is luck, so your result depend on him. If nobody knows the truth your effort just as wasted as theirs.
That is why it's not good to debate religion and opinions, there's just no way to come to a common ground I don't say religion is wrong, as far as we know it may be the only right thing, the problem is we do not understand how it works, we have no way to test it or replicate it's findings in other fields like we can with science Science is something created by testeable and replicable knowledge and principles we understand and we can use it's learning and apply them in fields we need to advance in I also have some reservations regarding exclusively theoretical science, it may lead us in the right direction but until it can be tested it should not be taken as cannon Even the testeable science is still lacking in so many ways, like the strong force, we still have no clue what exactly it is and were it comes from, just like gravity
Nope^^ "When they discover the center of the universe, a lot of people will be disappointed to discover they are not it." - Bernard Bailey
If you have set your mind on a belief, the workings of your brain will adapt to that. Meaning if you get "evidence" that your belief have faults in it, those will be adjusted in a way so you can still keep the conviction. You practically lie to yourself. You will have exceptions towards "rules". Then when to communicate to others about the topic, you will try transfer those ways to keep your faith. Often this are done by repeating and repeating and repeating and repeating and ... If you want to counter this for yourself, you have to question what your senses feed you of information of this reality. You might need to learn and understand technologies. Since that is very demanding to do for mast homo sapiens, you often put your thrust in what "experts" tells, or peoples you like. Most of humans use a language to communicate. A language have faults and keeps evolving, so ways to say something can be understood different. Pictures and sounds and video can be misleading in many ways. If you have a belief then you might tend to twist the meaning of words and other language elements. The above is a simplified version of why Terrans behave irrational now and then, at different degrees. So to the OP thesis: "Earth may be the center of the universe". Only the "may be" part makes this uncertain, something you hope for and have as a fantasy. What do you mean by "center"? The main focus of your belief? What is this "universe"? Explain the rules for it, backed up by "science". So far by assumed rules accepted of most that have some knowledge, Earth have a high probability to not be THE center of the universe. Until there are "proof" of "intelligent life" with origin not on Earth, and until it have a practical effect, it does not really matter. It becomes a fantasy, something most humans seems to use some of their time on. Where some tries to bring the make believe into life, make it something "real".
I can't argue this. I remember one Professor in a class who said that the image of Science where an established theory gets overturned by a new theory after enough research is done and sufficient evidence collected is a more rosy picture than in reality. In reality, a new theory often doesn't become truly widely accepted until the old guard, jealously hanging on to the older theory, pass on of old age.
Of course Earth is center of Everything, Professor Orlando from Hot Springs solved mystery of squared circle spherical cube long time ago - no need for 'new science'! We need this real planets in Empyrion ASAP
Sorry this is a fantasy game! we wont be trying to bring real looking flat planets in to our fantasy game thanks!
Are these the same scientist that once believed the earth was flat and one could die by falling of the end?
