Why EGS bad game. Comparison of games.

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  1. [TKC]olT3lo

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    I take it from the replies the OP has gotten that the underwater sea life is pretty good in this game, at least to those in this thread. Honestly, if I had to rank the underwater sea life on a scale from 1-10 in this game I'd probably score it on the lines of a 1. I like the potential of this game a lot, but the overall sentiment about the underwater sea part is correct in my opinion. It needs work.

    Other than that, he's comparing survival games, not really apples to apples but at least he's not comparing EGS to Apex Legends. It's opinion, and he's entitled to it.
     
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  2. Ambaire

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    Say what? You're the first person in this thread other than the OP to comment on that.

    As for my personal opinion on that underwater 'sea life'.. what sea life? There's a carpet of greenery with various seaweed sticking up able to be harvested, rocks and special plants to harvest for medical supplies. And the greenery is far too dense and high to see much of anything on any hypothetical sea floor that may or may not exist.
     
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  3. [TKC]olT3lo

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    Exactly. Everyone is too busy telling him he's an idiot to comment on the thing that made everyone upset.. and is true. The underwater part of the game is lacking at this point. Not saying it won't get better, but why is it wrong to comment on what isn't so great at this point? I'm sure the devs know it and aren't nearly as offended as some of you by his rating.
     
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  4. Samoja

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    If that was his intention he should have commented on why current system is bad, and then suggest how it can be improved, not make a silly chart with a bunch of meaningless numbers he arbitrarily picked, that helps nobody. If he wanted to draw a parallel with other games that have underwater exploration that's fine but he should have done it point by point, and even then you have to keep in mind those other games have completely different engine and usually have more in house programmers that can actually modify the engine to do what they want. Eleon is working on a third party engine which puts quite a bit of constraint on what they can do with it, it's really not so easy to compare it that way.
     
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  5. [TKC]olT3lo

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    Again, just calling him out for a chart that you didn't like. I don't think the chart is a fair comparison either in a lot of respects, but the bottom score was what's under the water. Instead of sparking a discussion on how it could improve, we're talking about the OP's lack of polish in his presentation. So in the end, I believe it's the responses that aren't helping. They could of pulled a shaky presentation from the fire, helped the guy out, and just talked about the points that made sense.

    My last post on this as I realize this isn't helping either.
     
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  6. cgw 2

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    I made this schedule for myself, what should I play, what should I spend time on, and what should I not waste time on.
    YES. This is my personal point of view (spiritual).
    She is demonstrating a detailed view from the side.
    If each player would give his own table, then it would be possible to describe very accurately like this game and why.
    She cannot please everyone, because everyone thinks differently (moreover, everyone has a different playing style).
    One will pick and build berries (even a weapon cannot do it for himself) and appreciate it.
    And the other will appreciate the shooter meat and blood.
    I have provided what is lacking in the game in my opinion as a result of this table.



    The table may not be the best and does not pretend to be accurate.
    (with Fallout4) I was mistaken if it was worth it if she could raise the ball a little, but it still doesn’t change her General score and wouldn’t move her.
    I just indicated those flaws that in my opinion I consider important. And it is up to the developers to decide what to change and what not to touch. You say that you need to discuss what to discuss?
    If there are 10, and here 5, then I would like it to be so,
    how is it 10.

    I believe that this table will help EGS reach 10/10/10/10/10 /.../10

    Here we see that EGS has a weak one.
    Undersea world
    I would like it to be like in ARK / Minecraft + Mods / Subnautica

    Garden
    I would like it to be like in Minecraft + Mods / 7DaysToDie

    Energetics
    I would like it to be like in Minecraft + Mods / Space Enginers / KSP

    Npc
    I do not know such a game, but I would like better.


    I'm not a troll, I'm just trying to help and make the game better (Raise the game to the leader).
    And everywhere I advertise it, on forums, etc. EGS as one of the best.
    Because I spent more than 2000 hours in this game. starting with pre alpha 03.
    One way or another, but I influenced the development vector of this game. And I believe that for the better.
    Sometimes I ask for the impossible.
    Or my ideas are complete nonsense, that it is impossible to do.
    But this is how it would be more interesting.
     
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  7. Frigidman

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    I think most of the upset is just by the translation issues.

    ex:
    "Why EGS bad game."

    Basically says "this game is total suck, and here is why...." then pretty much pointing at areas that the game really wasn't supposed to excel in, compared to other games where its their whole reason for existing.

    It was mainly a translation error. The topic could have been "EGS could be improved in some areas. Comparison of games." ... and then the heat and flames would have been far less severe.
     
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  8. Kassonnade

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    I would suggest a better choice of words for the thread 's title : "My personal impressions and comparison of other games with Empyrion" or any variation on this "theme".

    Only writing "Why Empyrion is bad" does not explain why a player chose to buy the game and not ask for a refund, for example, and instead he chooses to come to a forum to attract other players to read an obscure chart., then retroactively change the thread's obvious "clickbait" intent into a more toned-down version of a personal opinion.

    It is not the first time you post very "unusual" threads @cgw 2 . You do not contribute to any other discussion that is not a thread created by yourself, where you choose the title and flood us with various images and concepts unrelated to Empyrion. I understand your "declared" will to help shape Empyrion into something better, but at first look it seems like you mostly want to get noticed. And you got noticed for sure, but not the way you wanted, maybe ?
     
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  9. cgw 2

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    "Why EGS bad game."
    Because post EGS good game will not be interesting.

    I speak English poorly and the translator does not always translate correctly.
    Sometimes I notice things like I write one thing, and the translator gives it something else.
    Therefore, I do not participate in other discussions. as it takes a lot of time to translate.
    And I’m trying to convey some pictures or graphs.
    Yes, this is terrible, but I do not know another option.
     
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  10. Kassonnade

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    I can refresh your mind if you want :

    https://empyriononline.com/threads/add-industrial-craft.78112/

    I think this was the best example that "translation" has nothing to do with the problem here. It looks like you are not playing the same game we are playing.
     
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  11. Germanicus

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    Uhm, Kass, he joined in 2016 -> his first posting -> https://empyriononline.com/threads/real-solar-system-jupiter-saturn-uranus-neptune-how-sun.7743/
     
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  13. cgw 2

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    Maybe. The style of play is different for everyone. And it is possible that some see her differently.
    And from a different angle. Everyone experiences different impressions.
     
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  14. Kassonnade

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    Do you think Empyrion can really become "as good" as all these other games you compare it to, in all their specialized mechanics, knowing how it already has problems performing on middle-end systems with the actual "limited" content, like you seem to describe it ?

    Tell me if you understand the question correctly.
     
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  15. ravien_ff

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    There are language specific forums. If one of them is your native language maybe you could post your ideas there.

    It's really hard to follow your ideas from your posts. English is a very versatile language and you can normally get the point across even when messing up but in this case it's still really hard to know what you're trying to say.

    Maybe you could also post the original post in your native language so if anyone else speaks it they could understand it too.
     
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  16. Hector G

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    EGS is bad because it doesn't have underwater life. Well okay I guess Subnautica is bad because I can't fly into space. o_O
     
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  17. Samoja

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    That's exactly it, i believe we will have a perfect simulation one day but Empyrion ain't it, and neither is any other game going to be in the near future. Resources are limited, both on terms of hardware and development time. In light of this any contemporary game is necessarily going to have to be for the most part smoke and mirrors. We came a long way already, nowdays it can be as much as 10 to 15% real think and the rest smoke and mirrors, which is way above what it used to be, which was about 1%, this is mostly due to stronger hardware, better tools and the power of procedural generation. But it is still overwhelmingly smoke and mirrors and that's how it's going to stay for the foreseeable future. We all have an unspoken contract with the devs, to mostly pay attention to the cool things, and mostly ignore what's behind the curtain, it's necessary to do that if we want to have a good time playing games. We can of course suggest where we want the game to go next, and the devs may even listen (although in my experience this is exceedingly rare, in all my years i made hundreds, if not thousand suggestions, and only had my suggestion picked up twice, and even then one of those times was an incredibly simple modification of the already existing feature, both of those times were mods too), but it's important we keep our expectations in the realm of possible.
     
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  18. [TKC]olT3lo

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    I get your point here, and I don't agree that EGS is bad or I wouldn't be here. The difference of course is, in Subnautica you don't fly into space and can't resource in space. You spend all your time in the water for the most part. EGS does have water, you can gather resources there, build bases there, etc. While I don't think EGS needs underwater life anywhere near that of Subnautica, adding a few fish and maybe a couple of other basic life would be nice. But honestly, it's not on the top of my additions list.
     
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    OH YEAH! I want shark meat so I can have my fish and chips!:D
     
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    The only thing I want from Sharks is their set of Teeth;). That would be the death sentence for all Dentists:D.
     
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