Hud clutter

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  1. RazzleWin

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    I have a number of smaller ships docked to my CV.
    In my hud I see all these small ship icons blotting out my CV icon.
    Is there any way to get back to where I just see my CV icon only while the other ships are still docked?
     
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  2. To add to this, if I have waypoint activated for a vessel and I'm currently piloting it then the HUD name should be hidden while I'm seated.
    There is never a time that I want to fly my vessel with the HUD name blocking my view. This means I have to constantly activate it and deactivate it every time I get in or out of the vessel.

    Docked vessels should also have their names hidden while docked, both with and without waypoint activated, as long as I am piloting the carrier vessel.
     
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  3. Phantom 3

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    Way to much noise and since you can't change the font size/color/opacity per entity type/state/distance the HUD gets way to busy becoming distraction rather then informative tool. Add to that the implementation that doesn't prevent overlapping text and you can quickly end up useless unintelligible bits of text all over the place.

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  4. RazzleWin

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    See the mini map and the clutter.

    NewGame_0_2020-09-03_16-08-32.png Here is another example of the clutter we now see. All those ships are docked to my CV. :(

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  5. Thor'sHammer

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    Old programmer/gamer or is it gamer/programmer?

    Old Programmers never die, they just start losing their bits. Or is that wits? I can't remember ...

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    @RazzleWin - What a mess. The MAP view looks like some sort of Alien frog. I also hate the overlapping text, and that if you rename a fixed game element like POI's that they STILL show the original name, overlapped with your new marker. EDIT: NOT TRUE see comments below.

    You should be able to rename them (I like to mark POI's 'DONE' or 'MT' (empty) or 'STEEL' (if I've pulled all the good stuff) so I can keep track of what I've done. All it does now is clutter more.

    EDIT: What I meant to say (sorry it was 4am) was if you rename a POI it renames properly on the Map LIST it still shows the original name on the globe display. Like 'Nest' renamed to 'Nest DONE' will still show on the globe view as Nest, not Nest DONE.

    Same is true of the HUD. When you're close enough and Ping with the Detector, it shows the ORIGINAL name. If you access the map LIST it shows correctly.

    It's a PITA to have to jump over to the list to see where you're headed, defeats the whole idea of having the names on the HUD.

    If you think this warrants being reported as a bug, I'll be happy to do so. :)
     
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  6. Germanicus

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    What you describe here can only happen if you do not rename the set waypoint TOO. Bases/Vessel which are re named after you placed a waypoint for them just show their original Name. Thats all.
    If the old name persists to show even after renaming the POI AND the Waypoint...Bug Report.
     
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  7. Myrmidon

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    Let me see if i got the right. Your problem is that you see multiple icons in minimap and in map. If that is the case the thread title is clickbait. There is no clutter in the HUD while you sit in cockpit of a vessel with other vessels docked on it.

    The map is not HUD and the minimap is well minimap not HUD
     
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  8. Thor'sHammer

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    I went back to where that was happening and ... my bad. :rolleyes::(

    Seems I was seeing another waypoint directly in line with my base. SORRY and thanks. Edited my post.
     
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  9. RazzleWin

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    Wow once again you try to put me in my place and tell me how to talk. I'm not sure why you feel compelled to get on my case.

    Alright from google I quote
    In video gaming, the HUD (heads-up display) or status bar is the method by which information is visually relayed to the player as part of a game's user interface. It takes its name from the head-up displays used in modern aircraft.

    Here is the key part "or status bar is the method by which information is visually relayed to the player as part of a game's user interface"

    In real life I don't walk around with a mini map in my view it is part of the game we are playing and is information that being given to me. I see the whole screen as the hud as it's giving me all this information. You choose to think of it only as a heads up display as used in modern aircraft. That's fine you can think of it that way. I won't sit here and try to tell you different.

    Now if you think all this was for click bait wow then I feel sorry for you. I asked a question other people understood what I was asking. You failed to give any useful information to this topic other then to put me in my place. Thank you for your contribution to my query.

    If how I talk offends you so much please feel free to place me on your ignore list.
     
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  10. Myrmidon

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    Not offended at all. I try to understand what it is you want to express and provide help in how to express it properly. Those who refuse to learn or to accept offered help are responsible for their actions and the consequences. Meaning the repentance of their mistakes. I feel so sorry for them but not much I can do. Perhaps your suggestion regarding the ignore list, is the only thing that makes sense.

    In the mean time, just fix your thread title and everything is going to be fine.
     
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  11. Spoon

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    I think your 'clickbait' comment is plain stupid and incorrect. Please learn from this.
     
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  12. Myrmidon

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    Learn what? He means minimap/map and writes HUD. I was interested to see what was cluttering the HUD and reading, found out it is all about minimap. It is the definition of clickbait.

    Also, others that are interested in cluttering of the minimap would miss this thread. Go figure.
     
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  13. Spoon

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    So you ignored post #4 where there is clearly a picture about what he is talking about.
    @RazzleWin might refer to the map as a HUD, but post #4 shows what he's talking about.
    Your post, while funny with the 'clickbait' comment, are not helping him.
    Learn to help people rather than nit-pick. Or does your comment "Those who refuse to learn or to accept offered help are responsible for their actions and the consequences." not apply to you.
     
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  14. Myrmidon

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    HUD only has clutter when the player uses the scanner and depending on the distance of scanned objects the HUD really does get cluttered with the labels. When the new scanner mechanism was introduced I proposed the use of filters to avoid this, i.e a filter in the scanner would only show the enemy entities those who the player is hostile for example. Another example is to filter to show only the ore deposits.

    Secondly the HUD can get cluttered if the player chooses to have many way-points active. But this is upon activation only and can be managed.

    Finally, the map the one appears using default shortcut key M and THE RADAR could benefit if show only one vessel that has other docked. Like it is working now on the HUD. On the HUD if the player is close to i.e. a CV with multiple vessels docked on her, those docked ships are filtered. Hence the HUD is not cluttered. The radar in the left top corner is not big deal for me, but improvements are welcome.
     
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  15. Thor'sHammer

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    @Myrmidon @RazzleWin @Spoon

    OK "guys", lets ratchet it down here. All three of you need to look at your behavior, you are ALL out of line in different ways. Remember we're here to HELP each other not squabble like little kids.

    @RazzleWin - There's nothing wrong with your title or your post, but you need to lighten up. Different people think differently, you're being too quick to take offence. I get you guys may have some back and forth history, but remember to try and be less willing to find an attack in every conversion, eh? :D

    We all tend to get passionate about things, keep your perspective, it's a GAME. Remember other people have different ways of SPEAKING and it's easy to see someone scolding you because they typed too quickly and failed to word it carefully. People are from all over the WORLD and have different styles and language usage, including me (I'm too wordy, for one). Chill, OK? :)

    @Myrmidon - The title is not "click bait". We already have a definition of HUD, and the Mini Map can clearly be considered part of the HUD by that definition. Granted it's not directly part of the suit of ship displays but it is part of the overall interface. Saying it's not the HUD is splitting hairs. So lets look at:
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    clutter

    noun
    Definition of clutter (Entry 2 of 2)

    1a: a crowded or confused mass or collection; a clutter of motels and restaurants
    b: things that clutter a place; tried to minimize the unnecessary clutter in her house
    2: interfering radar echoes caused by reflection from objects (as on the ground) other than the target
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    The Mini Map is indeed cluttered at times. The point of the title AND post is valid. Even if it's NOT valid there is zero reason to take the tone you took. You may not have meant it to be offensive, but viewed by someone outside of your little mini war it was provocative.

    You KNOW BETTER. You have way to much time in forums to not know you were being provocative. Same thing I told @RazzleWin, remember to be polite, OK? You're here to help, not fight. Step up and be more careful, you were condescending, it's not a good look, stay chilly. :cool:

    Condescending, and you knew it. Be more polite.

    @Spoon -
    Calling people names doesn't help the situation. @Myrmidon WAS out of line but so is this. :) Your heart was in the right place, but really try a less inflammatory approach, eh? LOL.

    ALL OF YOU - Remember we're here to share and help each other. You didn't join this forum for boxing matches, and if you did, get out and I'll help you find the door. Your purpose is to HELP. Each of you know in your hearts you were out of line.

    You have ALL contributed greatly to this forum and I respect all three of you, please try to keep different peoples styles in mind when responding. There is NO reason for either of you two to 'join an Ignore list'! Man up, apologize and try harder, you're both great people.

    You too @Spoon :p LOL.

    @Myrmidon - remember your motto: Play long and prosper, have a nice day :) @RazzleWin - try not to be so quick to be defensive. You guys make up and stop this sillyness, OK? @Spoon - Oh you're good, just be smoother.:rolleyes:

    Much Love to all of you and my thanks for your being here!! Take these words with the caring intended!
    Remember the REAL enemy is the Zirax ... or are they?
     
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  16. Spoon

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    I did not call anyone names. Nice people can put stupid comments on a forum. It doesn't make the person stupid, just their comment. :)
     
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  17. Thor'sHammer

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    LOL. Yes you did you silly rabbit. You know that text in inherently without inflection, facial expression and body language.

    I'll grant you in an INSTANT that you were quite clear that you said the comment itself was stupid. Yep you did.

    But it's a dangerous line, using provocative language. I can't speak for @Myrmidon, he can do that himself quite well he's very well spoken, but calling a post stupid can be easily misread as calling the person stupid, just as calling a game element stupid reflects on the programmer who wrote / created that element.

    Using the word stupid was just stupid. See what I did there? For a split second your hackles went up. :p

    You post was FUNNY and to the point, but a poor choice of words. IMHO. :)
     
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  18. Kassonnade

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    No.


    But you DO know your CV is there in the middle, don't you? Else you wouldn't see the thing moving around. You silly you.


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  19. Spoon

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    haha. That's so cute. I feel like I should be in Watership Down.
    I have put stupid comments on forums. usually when I have misread the question. Stupid is a good word. Nice and clear. Even Forrest Gump uses it.

    Where were you at the beginning, before all this 'off topic' stuff happened.... It's all your fault.... :)
     
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  20. Thor'sHammer

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    LMAO! In the midst of all this silly drama you pop in with a one word post answering the original question and smoothly sidestepping through all the noise and side discussions. You, my friend are a pro. Well played. Two thumbs up.
     
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