Bushwhacked I was!

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  1. Nicholas Drake

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    So... new game. Built my first CV and had just finished exploring the system and warped back 'home'.

    And warped out directly under the guns of a Zirax warship. Given that warping requires no shields, one can imagine how that ended in the short term. At least the recovery operation went smoothly.

    So, lessons learned...

    1. "Opps, you're dead" isn't great game play especially when the game provides no tactical avoidance method. It's not survival when you do everything right.

    2. The game does provide one avoidance method- build over sized monster CVs that can armor tank anything long enough to get the shield up or run.

    3. The game does provide a second avoidance method, but only on a return to an already visited system. Kill any enemy warships before you leave that system


    However...

    I hate the first method of using huge CVs. I hate splash damage bypassing the first blocks for the same reason. So I like Shield Tanking with hit and runs and save the monster ships for the end-game.

    I'm fine with the second method, except that it's beyond a 'first CV' in the game due to resource limits. The reason I made that trip was in fact to get the resources for a better CV capable of killing those ships.

    This didn't derail my game and I recovered in less than 30 minutes. But if it had happened away from my home system (and my SV needed for the recovery), I could have lost days or weeks of playtime.

    So... DEVs- not good.

    But it is what it is. Players beware and plan for this happening if the final lesson. Or have admin rights to respawn any Bushwacked events I guess :)
     
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  2. Spoon

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    Never been a fan of sayings like this mate. If someone ran into the back of you while driving and they got out of their car and said "It is what it is.." would you just accept it?
    You were lucky you could get it back as you were near your base.. It's a bad game mechanic that needs sorting. One option is just to be able to keep shields on while warping...
     
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  3. Nicholas Drake

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    Well, having be rear ended few times in my life, I never thought it was worth getting angry over. It was what it was. Exchanged insurance information on the minor ones and watch the ambulance take away the other driver in one. Either repaired the car with the insurance, or applied the totaled insurance amount to buying a new car. and went on with life.

    In this case, I was a little more angry for a short bit because the Devs seemed to design this to happen.

    1. They required that shields be down when warping
    2. They determine the patrol path of the ship that bushwhacked me to cross the warp in point.

    So, they expected and wanted this result to happen in their game, at least for ships without multiple layers of armor. Which is a bit more like someone ramming into the back of your compact car on purpose and then laughing that you weren't driving a Abrams Tank.

    So yeah. Bad Game Play. Bad Devs.

    But it's their game, not mine.
     
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  4. Khazul

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    And as they up the pressures (greater hostility), then it just exposes more of how awful some parts of the game are. I kind of hope that they will take note and change some things, but I suspect not.
     
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  5. jadefalcon

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    "It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life". - Captain Jean Luc Picard
     
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  6. Nicholas Drake

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    So says a character with a mega-ton of plot armor.
     
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  7. Germanicus

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    The simplest solution is to stay away from Warfare and stay at least neutral with the enemies. War can be waged at any time or when the time has come to strike.

    Quote from SW-TCW:
    "War does not come with a Guarantee!"

    Other Question:
    What keeps you from hitting X seconds before your Vessel jumps? I do it and it works, yes there is still a delay but its shorter.
     
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  8. If you are talking about the fact that you can hit X to activate shields a fraction of a second before warping, and it lets you warp and arrive at the destination with shields already activated and working, well I've always seen this as an exploit and will be fixed eventually once the devs notice.

    It can't be intended at all. The whole point was that we aren't supposed to be able to warp with shields active, yet this lets you bypass that entirely and arrive with shields already powered up and protecting the ship.
    Exploit by definition.

    I'm sure the devs will fix it once they notice. I've just not seen anyone publicly mention it until now ;)
    It probably should be properly reported as I'm sure there are tons of people exploiting this in MP and giving themselves an edge.
     
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  9. Germanicus

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    I have it seen in Streams and Videos AND read about it...how else do you think I learned it?

    Btw., IF those things I hope the Devs will fix GET FIXED the Game could loose half its Population...
    but that's a different Story and unsuitable for being 'exposed' here:).
     
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  10. Nicholas Drake

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    Not a feature I'm aware of, and yes- I'd consider it an exploit. The current situation sucks- but it's clear that's how the game is intended to be played and I'll play it that way.
     
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  11. Kassonnade

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    Unfortunately, Captain Picard was wrong here : the mistake in this scenario is to think that no mistake was committed.
     
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  12. zaphodikus

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    Eeexacetely same happened to me on my way home this week.

    Luckily I had patched up my ship after the drones minced my CV and took out the pentaxid tank and a few other tanks. If they had not taken out my huge stockpile of crystals, I would not have re-enforced the whole ship if not for the crystals I lost. So glad I did before I limped home.
     
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  13. Khazul

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    Sometimes bad mechanics deserve to be given no respect whatsoever and worked around by any means possible so long as the method is equally available to anyone, which in this case it is.

    Now we just need some 'exploits' to workaround some of the other major broken things.

    I get the impression that since '1.0' it already has... You mean loose the other half? ;)
     
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  14. Kassonnade

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    You are a genius. Erase that before they see it and become suspicious.
     
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  15. Germanicus

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    Maybe so...if those are the PvP'ers..:rolleyes:
     
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  16. Khazul

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    No loss then (though I didnt think there was enough of them... ?) :p
     
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