Filed / Tracking CV "tilts" on reload and the player falls through it. [7697]

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  1. Robot Shark

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    Build: 3192
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    Reproducibility: Intermittent
    Severity: Annoying

    Type: Loading save game

    Summary: The CV "tilts" when you load a save game and the player falls through it.

    Description: This is intermittent but it has happened multiple times and I finally got a save game just before it happens. The CV will be packed on a landing pad, or next to a station. When you load the game it will suddenly shift position, causing the player to clip through the floor and fall into whatever is below.

    Steps to Reproduce: Exit the game while standing in your CV.

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    Before exiting the game.
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    After I loaded the game.
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  2. Robot Shark

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    Another side effect of the issue.

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  3. Khazul

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    I've seen this in main branch versions in both creative and survival as well so not new to exp.

    It seems as if the player masses several million tons and thus if in falling into something while the game is loading and sorting itself out post-load then that something may be moved considerably.

    Another day, another glitch...
     
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    Personally, I thought the ramp was clipping into the pirate base and the game was trying to fix the clipping issue on reload.
    Then it happened to me with the CV parked on a flat surface with the ramps retracted.

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  5. Khaleg

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    @Robot Shark

    I think that this happens too when objects are instantiated due to our character returning to the CV after being far away before. In my case the CV is tilted; in reality it is spawned in a different position from this that had before (I think that at a different altitude), and falls to the ground, being tilted in the process. The docked ships inside are spawned correctly and are not moved.

    In fact I see that the docked ships inside the CV are spawned first, in correct way, and the CV is spawned afterwards, in wrong position.

    have you verified if the tilting or displacement happens at instantiation time, when you return to your CV?
     
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    In this case, it happened when I loaded the saved game.
    I can try to replicate what you described.
     
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    Normally I stay close to my CV, but I decided that I would test out the issue you described.
    I docked a SV and HV inside the CV and went around the world in another SV.
    Flying west around the world did not cause the issue.

    Flying north/south around the world however...

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  8. Khaleg

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    Thanks a lot for testing.

    So, my observations are correct? Sometimes the ships are displaced / rotated when these are instantiated. Normally only if these are not docked.

    Do you had the opportunity to check if is the instantiation order odd too? I mean, in my observations, ships inside CVs are instantiated / created first, and I think this has no logic; visible objects, and objects that are containers, should be instantiated first.

    Again, thanks a lot for spending your time testing, it is very appreciated.
     
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  9. Khaleg

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    These are exactly my observations, but at planet surface, instead in orbit.

    Plus, I see, when I am near the CV, that the docked ships are displayed first (instantiated), and if I go closer, then the CV is displayed, then even I see, some times, that the CV is created above the real position in which I left the CV (it is instantiated floating, instead landed, that is how I left the CV), then it falls to the ground and is affected by the physics and collisions, then the landing gear touch the ground, then it is tilted, but the docked ships stay in the original position.

    As side note, taking into account that you experience the tilt in space, this is not due to any "touchdown" with the ground, so, in my case there are two misplacements of the CV, one is due to being spawned not in the position in which I left it, other is the misplacement due to the "touchdown" with the ground, by falling, after the CV being instantiated above the real position.

    Now the big question:
    This depends on the direction of the travel when exploring outside the CV, it depends on the time exploring, or it depends on both?... or from what depends on and why happens sometimes? please read "sometimes" as very frequently for me, I do not know for others.

    @Pantera I would love to know how your investigations is going, because it is very frustrating having to destroy the objects and recreate all of them when this happens, because even in god mode, many times, you are unable to place again in a good position your docked ships.
     
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  10. bluemax151

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    I haven't been able to reproduce this consistently so no save file but I've been experiencing the player character falling through the CV even when the CV is landed on terrain. Sometimes this is caused from loading other times I've had it occur when using a door. It's a pain because I've actually been stuck in a void where my LCDs are located and had to GM to get out. Thankfully I'm in SP.

    Another issue I've experienced is similar to the 2nd you have all described but differs in that I can actually see my CV fall from the sky. Again not consistently reproduceable but it is game breaking because all my docked vessels end up embedded in the hull. The only way I've found to fix this is to go into GM and O key the vessels out.


    UPDATE 2/01 although not consistently reproduceable this is so frustrating I've basically stopped playing my Survival game. Recently I was investigating wreckage in space and found all my docked vessels were missing. When I checked the registry they were all fairly far away in space. I however could not fly the CV to them. I had to GM my character and when I reached them they still showed as "docked". I hadn't saved in hours so no convenient save file.
     
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  11. Fenra369

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    Also see this kind of beahvior with HVs docked to CVs. Sometimes it will violently eject the HV from it's docked position
     
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  12. Track Driver

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    I've had the experience of opening a savegame and finding myself within the floor of my base a couple of times. To be honest, I can't say for certain if I was in a CV previously or not. It was very confusing at the time as I didn't immediately realize what was happening. It all looked very strange. So far this year, I haven't had a repeat. I think the occurrences were in Creative.
     
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  13. Darinth

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    I actually fell through my CV yesterday for the first time. Specifically, I was walking around in my CV and accidentally hit the 'y' key, which powered down my CV, caused it's position to jump a bit and caused me to fall through it. I've turned on my instant replay so that if it happens again I can at least record the footage and get a proper bug report submitted.
     
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  14. bluemax151

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    I started a new Survival game and I believed that resolved the issue but unfortunately it has not. Yesterday I parked my CV and took my SV out to scout the planet when I returned on reload the CV bounced into the air and all my docked vessels ended up embedded in the hull. Again I was able to GM my way to the vessels and o key them out. The major difference this time is that I'm running the game on a private dedicated server. What's the best way to provide info for troubleshooting this bug on a dedicated server?

    Edit 2-22 Managed to snag photos of my CV loading and bouncing when I returned to it with my SV
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