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  1. Tristan Dover

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    I'm probably putting this in the wrong place but hey, I'm sure someone will tell me where it should go.
    I went to play the game today, the first time in a while. I started the tutorial and when I go to use the survival tool my character glitches through the floor and dies. I uninstalled it from my PC then reinstalled it, the same issue. It's a bit annoying as I really like the game. Has anyone else experienced this?
     
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  2. Scoob

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    Haven't seen that particular issue myself and I'm usually a magnet for the weird stuff. Don't really have any suggestion for you either regarding possible fixes.

    While I'm currently playing a long-term Reforged Eden game, I have also started a number of test vanilla games in the past week - just playing around - and haven't seen the issue.

    If you're able to reproduce the issue from a save, i.e. "Load this save and do x" I could try it myself if you like? If we can get a firm reproduction case the Devs are sure to take a look.
     
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  3. Tristan Dover

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    Ok I'll try it now. and let you know how I go now.

    Right, tried it on the save, it didn't happen right away but it happened this time when I picked some flower buds, I thought it may be something to do with being near my escape pod so I started a new game. I went away from the escape pod and the same thing happened again. I did notice though that my character does a little jump at the same time as doing an action ie firing, picking....
    Im going to have a look at my settings and adjust them, then see what happens.
     
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  4. Tristan Dover

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    I put the graphics settings to the lowest, same thing happened. I did take some screenshots but I have no idea where they are.o_O
     
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  5. Scoob

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    They should be in [Empyrion game folder]/Saves/Screeshots IIRC. A saved game would be more useful for recreation purposes though, if you can reliably provide recreation steps. What we're trying to ascertain is if me (me example) taking the same action as you from the same save point result in the same issue. There is no wrong or right result here, just because I can't recreate it (if that's the case) doesn't mean you don't have an issue of course. It's just the huge variety of hardware / software out there means experiences / bugs aren't always shared.

    What I'd do is make a save, ensure you can reliably recreate the issue, detail those steps and I'll try your save. Just upload it to somewhere like Google Drive, that's what I use.

    Edit: As a quick test, I just started a new survival game, didn't change any settings. I crashed in the Pod, picked up the Survival Tool and torch, then ran around picking up various plants. No issues what so ever.

    Edit 2: I've continued to run around, just doing normal early-game activities, basically just collecting stuff and mining surface rocks and no issues thus far.

    Thought, you mention you've not played in a while, are you aware crouch is in now? So, pressing down ("c" by default) will crouch your character, might seem odd if you're not expecting it. Just thought I'd go outside the box so to speak lol.
     
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  6. Halikar

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    You are not alone on this issue. I am a new player, had one day to play version 1.7.3 before the 1.7.6 update, and have had constant issues falling through the ground since the update. There is a thread in the bug forum that has also reported this issue that I have been watching, waiting for a fix. If there was a way to play the older version, I'd be a happy camper! :)
     
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    Thanks for sharing this, always good to know you're not alone with a given issue.
     
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  8. Tristan Dover

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    It's a great game, but falling through the floor within the first 2 minutes and dying is getting a bit dull. Same here, if I could go back to a stable release that would be great. Now I know of the thread in the bug forum I will have a butchers at that and keep my eye on it. Hope it gets sorted soon.
     
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    It's funny, I started a new game just intended to test this issue and now I'm several hours in. Zero issues falling through the ground. I wonder what's different between those who do get the issue and those that don't? PC spec? Software? Drivers? Like I said, I'm usually a magnet for weird and obscure issues, but this one's passed me by entirely.
     
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    It happens to me with every game I start, be it a new one or a saved game, my pc is quite a high spec one aswel. No ram issues, I have 48 gb, the graphics card could be better but it's not too shabby, plenty of space on the hard drive. I'm stumped.:confused:
     
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    I'll share my specs too, just in case anything is significant:

    CPU: 3900X
    RAM: 32GB DDR4 3600
    GPU: GTX 1070
    OS: Windows 10

    Everything is up to date in regards to drivers and Windows.

    It'd be good to see if there's any AMD / Intel CPU or nVidia / AMD GPU correlation, or perhaps a particular driver or Windows version etc. I'm stumped too
     
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    Had a little mess around with in-game settings today as, for some reason my fps was way lower than it had been in the past. Anyway I now have my screen resolution set down to 1280 x 720 (16:9) this is giving me 14fps which is way lower than I was getting with a higher resolution before the latest patch but is now playable. I have been on there for about 2o minutes without falling through, I still do a little jump but I can cope with that.
     
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    May I ask what GPU you're using? 14fps is really rather poor and makes me wonder if the game is somehow using an iGPU rather than discrete. I understand this can be an issue on system with two GPU options and when the wrong one - i.e. the iGPU - is selected by the game, fps can be really poor.

    I think I run at mostly medium / high settings at 1920x1200 resolution and generally remain at a solid, vSync'd 60fps. It does seem to randomly dip more than it used to and I have turned more setting down over times as the game and Unity version have been updated.

    I recall in the past the game would run well on very old hardware. I got the game set up to run well on an ancient Q8200 and GTX 275 with 4gb RAM a few years back. Low settings sure, but very playable. That spec hasn't got a hope any more lol.
     
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  14. Peter Conway

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    yup, you're not alone, I've been through the floor, jumped a bit when picking up plants/shot stuff, and I've been pushed through the terrain while reversing my bike (accidentally) under something low!
    there's lots of weird stuff to climb over but I just ignore it unless it drops me outta' the game... then you've never heard such a potty mouth!
     
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    My PC spec is windows 10, 48gb ram, 3tb hdd, 1tb ssd and NVidia GFX GeForce 1060 6gb. I know thats not the best gpu in the world but it should beable to produce a better fps than it is! All the drivers are upto date and windows is set to game mode. I would have thought that was plenty to run the game? I never had a problem running it in the past on a pc with a far lower spec. I havent played it for about 12 months though. All settings on the gpu are set to performance rather than quality so I am really struggling to think of what the issue is, you're right, 14 fps is shocking. Any help you maybe able to give me on how I can improve that would be great.
     
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    It's enough to run this reasonably, I have the 1050 card and only a 1/4 of your ram, but I also have a 1tb SSD, and to he honest though mine is set to performance the quality I see is good and I have 50-60 fps,
    The only lagging I had was with the water (when I had higher quality) and the planetary join that I call the 'county line'

    I have noticed though that when you/I harvest some plants it makes a little terrain deformation, sometimes I get stuck down there for a second or two before jetpacking out.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your specs. I agree, the 1060 should actually be pretty decent for Empyrion, albeit likely with a couple of extra settings turned down vs. my 1070 to hit that 60fps minimum. Can you share you CPU too please? I wanted to check whether it perhaps has an iGPU (built-in GPU) also, which Empyrion might be using by mistake. I don't have an iGPU, so I cannot necessarily check whether Empyrion has specific settings regarding GPU selection like some other titles do.

    I'm just wracking my brain for any possible explanation for this, your PC should run Empyrion pretty well I'd have thought. I'm still playing the game I started with the intention of just testing the issue you were having and it continues to run perfectly. I will say though that I too get issues when crossing the join on the map, flying is fine, but being in an HV usually causes it to crash (the HV, not the game) but other than that game is running really well for me.

    It's late here (gone midnight) but I'll check on this thread tomorrow, hopefully we can get to the bottom of things - it sure is a bloody weird issue!
     
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  18. Tristan Dover

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    There you go mate. Im guessing your in the UK like me. I have just done a quick google on the CPU and it doesnt have IGPU. I may get a computer boffin to give the pc a once over. I built it myself and may well have not configured it as well as it could be.
     

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    one thing I have also noticed is that my fans go mad fast for about 30 seconds every 5 to 10 minutes when Im playing, I cant believe my CPU or GPU should be getting that hot. I have 7 x 120mm big fans in there plus the 2 smaller ones on the GPU.:confused:
     
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    Yeah, in Uk. Our CPU's are actually pretty similar and my 3900x has no issues with Empyrion as it multi-threads nicely. Your CPU would not be an issue...but then nor should your GPU. Regarding your fans ramping up like like, certain scenes do stress the GPU a little more than others, so that might be just normal gameplay, though those fps are worrying.

    It might be worth using something like Display Driver Uninstaller to TOTALLY remove the NV Drivers from your system, just in case something has gone screwy. What I'd do is as follows:

    - Download latest NV Drivers
    - Download Display Driver Uninstaller
    - Download NV Clean Install
    - Go offline (just a precaution to stop Windows force-downloading a display driver when it sees you don't have one.

    - Run Display Driver Uninstaller, I think it's fairly intuitive what you have to do, but I've not used it recently.
    - Run NV Clean Install
    - Point NV Clean Install to your downloaded latest driver.
    - Use it to just install the Driver component.

    Basically, NV Clean Install lets you install the latest drivers without the tonnes of crap that come with them. It keeps things clean and streamlined. Note: If you use PhysX tick that option too, and audio if you use your GPU's audio capabilities. I don't, so I just select the Driver.

    This might seem a little long-winded, but you're having an obscure issue with fps being that low so something isn't right. I always install new NV drivers via the NV Clean Install Tool.

    Note: we're talking software here of course, but there is the potential for a Hardware issue. If you're able, it might be worth monitoring GPU temps during play, in case the GPU is being maxed out. If it is running hot, then trying to force 100% fan (I use a Palit tool called Thundermaster) to see if that helps. If temps are still high, then what I'd do is strip the card down, clean any dust out and reapply thermal paste. I've done this with GPU's in the past, but this Palit 1070 Gamerock has been amazing, got it the first week the 1070 launched as it was the cheapest 1070 available, it's approaching six years old now.

    General stuff: I do overclock my GTX 1070, so it regularly hits, and holds, 2ghz. As this does generate additional heat, I changed the fan profile to be 1/1 with heat/fan speed. So, at 40c fan is at 40% duty, 50c 50% duty etc. This can lead to a little extra noise, but the card peaks at about 30c over ambient so it's pretty good. My case hasn't got good ventilation as this system was built for water cooling, but I've not been able (not prepared to pay the crazy prices) to get a new water-cooled GPU yet.

    It's a tricky one this...Empyrion has pretty much always given me solid performance - even on my old 2600k + GTX 1070 system - outside of certain issues during the beta.

    Oh, one final tip that I do that used to help a lot but I'm not sure of its relevance now. I DON'T limit fps in the game, rather I limit it in the NV Profile for the game. This used to give significantly smoother performance for me, but I've not actually tested whether it's still relevant. One thing I've found is the game's FPS counter isn't always reliable. I can see it showing a solid 60, never changing, but I could clearly see fps dips, snags and judders from time to time. Using driver level vSync made things much smoother.

    That's today's pre-lunch brain dump lol.
     
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