Help needed Trading terminal - WHY are they silent about this?

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  1. bbk.3164

    bbk.3164 Commander

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    I made this post for a reason, but because I ran into some problems (!!!)
    I'm playing in Reforge Eden's scenario, but I understand that the problem is NOT in the scenario, but in the basic features of the Game !!!

    In our PDA - in the Trainings, and in Empiriopedia == ABSENT Instructions - how to use the Market, the Trading Terminal!
    Because of this, MP players really suffer from the inability to trade between players through the Market (trading terminals at Trading Stations).

    Look closely at the 2 screenshots below:


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    Here - The player visited the Beta trading station (this is in the Beta starting system) and put up for sale "Zirax Missile Turrets"


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    On this screen, I am in Another star system, opening the Market .... BUT I DO NOT SEE these "Zirax Missile Turrets" ... they are MISSING!

    .... then I flew to this "Beta Trading Station", opened a trading terminal there ... BUT I ALSO DID NOT SEE these "Zirax Missile Turrets" FOR SALE (!!!) :(

    Therefore, the question arose = "WHY OTHER PLAYERS DON'T SEE SOME ITEMS IN THE TRADING LIST" (???!!!!)

    We wanted to see the Features of Trading in the PDA, but there is NO instruction ...

    We make our own assumptions:

    1) Or some "unique" items are FORBIDDEN to be sold in the Market?!
    2) Or is there some limitation on the Trade Range (limited distance) hmm (??!)

    We wanted to see the Description - what can affect the Distance to show the trading list .... but the Description is ABSENT in the PDA (!!!) :((

    Then we all server - started testing:

    1) At the Trading Station in the Starting System - I put a request = "to buy" Warp Drive x5 pcs, and set "Max. Transport. Cost" = 10%.
    Asked in the chat - WHO SEES in the "Desirable" - an offer to buy x5 Warp engine ????

    Those Players who were In the starting System - Saw my offer!
    But other players who were OUTSIDE the Starting System DID NOT SEE your offer (!!!) :(

    2) then I created "Buy x10, and x20 warp drive", and set "Max. Transport. Cost" = 50%.
    and again asked in the Chat - WHO SEE??

    The player In the starting system said that he sees 3 positions of the warp engine (x5, x10, and x20) (!)
    But other players, outside the starting system, said that they see ONLY 2 positions x10 and x20 (! :(

    ... we spent 40 minutes on these tests, and therefore we want to say - that the Gaming Community is DISSATISFIED with such trading conditions (!)

    Market - should be ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT BORDERS (!!!)
    ... and even at a distance of 100.000 l.y. - all players SHOULD SEE - what is being sold and what is being bought in the entire Galaxy (!)

    And at the same time - everyone should understand that for Delivery - you need to pay = the further, the greater the cost of delivery (!!!)

    Therefore - the parameter "" Max. Transport. Cost" (from 10% - to 50%) = NEED TO REMOVE AT ALL (!).
    Instead = show a message to the Buyer - that the Shipping cost will be the "price" (!) ... If this is expensive for you - please fly Closer to the Place of sale to reduce the Shipping Cost, OR pick up the item "Self-pickup" (!)

    Therefore - any LIMITATION on the trading of “unique goods”, or LIMITATION on the display distance of the “trading list” == COMPLETELY LEVELATES the very trade between Players on the Market (!!!!!!!!!)

    Then we laughed - we do not need SUCH a market (where there are restrictions), let's trade the old fashioned way - agree on a meeting place, and exchange goods for goods, or goods for money, or repay for free (give away) :)

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    And also - Eleon Developers must understand that even in Scenario Reforge Eden - everything relies on the Base Codes of the Game!
    Because the developers of Reforge Eden SHOULD NOT do anything in the Scenario adjustment to allow unique items from the Scenario to be traded in the Market (!)
    All trading in the Market should be ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT LIMITATIONS on the uniqueness of items (no restrictions on User Scenarios), and on the visibility range of demand / offers, but as already mentioned above - the Player should see a message that the Shipping Cost will depend on the Delivery Distance (! )

    We need a GOOD MARKET, without bad nerves for any restrictions !!! :)
     
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  2. ravien_ff

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    CONTACT YOUR SERVER OWNER FOR ASSISTANCE
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    Your server owner needs to add the relevant info to the PDA themselves!!!
    The game developers have no ability to add PDA entries to servers running custom scenarios!!!
     
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  3. bbk.3164

    bbk.3164 Commander

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    ok, according to the instructions for conducting trade transactions - ok, let's ask the Admins.

    But the rest of the proposals that relate to the Market itself are different restrictions, and the management of restrictions - please, remains in force! Because my suggestions are more rational and will help improve the process of trading on the Market :)
    Let's leave these points as "as one of the suggestions to improve the features of trading in the Market between Players" :)
    Thanks
     
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  4. bbk.3164

    bbk.3164 Commander

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    But in general, dear Ravien, I absolutely disagree with you!
    I'll explain why - Reforge, this is a separate scenario that has gained high popularity!
    As for Reforge as a script, I see no point in HERE to discuss the Reforge RE script, and what should server administrators do?!

    We are talking about the BASIC PRINCIPLES of Trading in the Market, between players, and this DOES NOT APPLY TO RE (!)
    This applies to the basic configuration of the game!
    If the Eleon Developers make any changes to the basic mechanics of the game, then this will affect any user scenarios (!) Right?!
    Therefore, the RE scenario has absolutely nothing to do with it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Therefore, I ask the Game Developers - to rework the functionality of the Market - to remove any restrictions, especially on the "display range of tradable items in the Trade List" (so that the buyer can see the entire range of the Market even being 125 billion light-years from the Place of display of goods for sale, and at the same time The buyer must see - HOW MUCH he will pay for delivery (!)

    This function is BASIC, and if it is changed inside the base code of the Game, then this will automatically be noticeable in ANY user scenario, since they are based on the base code of the game!

    Therefore, dear Ravien - the Reforge RE scenario - has absolutely nothing to do with it! :)

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    and as for any information that, as you said, server administrators should add - this only applies to additional scripts that administrators add on top of the Reforge RE script - I agree here!

    But the description of the operation of the Market - how to trade between players - this must be done by the Game Developers themselves! (just fill in the general information in the PDA)

    .... but if we continue talking about the Reforge RE scenario - ok, then let's look - The developer of the Reforge RE scenario has added new resources, for example "Tungsten", and in the PDA -> Empiriopedia tab -> "Galaxy and Resources" section == He ( Scenario developer Reforge RE) added a description - that Tungsten is not part of the Vanilla version of the game, so it is added as a "Base" .... Note, dear Ravien - this information was added NOT by the SERVER ADMIN (!), but by the Scenario Developer Reforge RE himself (!!!)

    Therefore, I believe that everything that concerns:
    - The basic moments of the game - the description in the PDA must be supplemented by the Game Developers;
    - Custom scripts - all additional information and Description - must be added by Script Developers (!);
    - separate quests from the Admins - respectively in the PDA - the description and information must be added by the Admins of the servers themselves (!).

    Therefore - my main This post is about changes in the Market NOT IN SCENARIOS, AND NOT ON SERVERS from Admins!
    Improvement and change of the Market, described in the main This topic - concerns the basic fundamentals of the Game itself!
    And in your scenarios - I do not climb! :) I'm just now playing on the server where the Scenario is installed, but I understand that Some game moments that seem "uncomfortable" are NOT in the Scenario, but are in the very foundation of the Game !!! :), and here are these fundamental points, without touching any Script - I always want to help improve (!!!) :)

    thanks for understanding :)
     
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  5. ravien_ff

    ravien_ff Rear Admiral

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    The game developers have no control over what is in the pda of a custom scenario. Period.
     
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  6. Escarli

    Escarli Rear Admiral

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    Take deep breaths ;)
     
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  7. Andreykl

    Andreykl Commander

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    Even in vanilla there is no basic info about trading anywhere. But not sure if it should be in PDA, likely it needs an 'info' button in trading terminal.
     
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