I thought you said you ignored me on forums. And you cant know theyre going to add them, thats just an assumption based on some stuff like POIs and AI stuff that attacks you so you have something to fight against in sp and pve and seems more like a way for players to create scenarios with npcs. Anyway if they do add them in a way which forces their use for progression/convinience then I probably wont play for long and will play something I like to play more, which would probably be boring to you and other people who like "content" by means of npcs doing everything for you and "living" in already colonized and developed planets working for npc corporations for variables like its GTA/sims/eve online, not galactic survival. Its not game I want to play, but maybe you do. And as there seems to be more of you who want such a game (that are talking (ganging up) on forums anyway) then developers are likely going to do what you want, not the minority. Too bad (for me). But its natural and business wise correct. Then again check their original page http://empyriongame.com/. They didnt say anything about npc civilizations in it except for minor mention of "npc enemies" (could be POI/drones). Which means they didnt intend to add them originally (or it would be used in advertisements "live in a world filled with giant npc civilizations in war with each other, choose your allies and enemies wisely etc etc" usual ad bs, like other stuff game is about is advertised (survival, building, combat etc)).
I did. Very occasionally, I unhide your content because it leaves odd gaping holes in a conversation that interests me. And on those occasions, I get a good reminder of why I ghosted you to begin with. But that's another discussion. Make what assertions you will, if it helps you sleep at night. I'm telling you straight up, no BS, that It. Will. Happen. Unfortunately for you, I signed a NDA which precludes me from providing anything more specific and exact. Pointing out that which is current and public knowledge is still perfectly fine, however (and Hummel is welcome to tell me otherwise if this is not the case). The fact is, 'factions' are already in the game, they will be expanded upon, and if you dislike that idea then you may as well make your exit now. Otherwise, feel free to stick around and see how it turns out. It makes no difference to me. Don't confuse my statement for your own interpretation of it. I have no more knowledge of what form NPCs and faction standings will take than you do - or what relevance they'll play in the grand scheme of things. It could be something as superfluous as NMS or as deep as Endless Space (trading and alliances). Most likely it would end up being your typical "Faction attacks you on sight if they hate you too much" kind of thing - but again, I stress that I have no solid knowledge of any of that beyond the dead, unquestionable certainty that NPCs and Faction mechanics exist now and will get their own enhancements and overhaul in due time.
This thread was basically just a place to take a debate that was gridlocked and spamming another thread with off topic discussions. I'm not worried about it disappearing, it served it's purpose and was entertaining.
@Mr. Bits I don't need someone to "**** in my cereal in the morning" to see you like you are. I don't really care what you think, but I can read and if you write nonsense everyone can see it. Except you, it seems. Oh... maybe you're working on that "bug report" ? Sorry.
I like that this thread has 3 pages, and the good version has 2 posts. You all need to play darkfall, if you're not using profanity and denigrating someone they ban you from the forum. To say nothing of what the community will say about you. Lets change the nature of this thread to one of global unity, multiculturalism and education? There are people here that speak english as a second language, yes? Let's post the biggest list of swear words/profanity/obscenities that we can think of, and people from other nationalities/languages can post translations from their language, as well as add new ones. What say you? Hummel, you'll give us the german version, right?
This Thread is not excluded from the rules and debate is healthy we wont tolerate blatantly disregard for rules and attacking other members of the forum (aka flaming)
And what about "off topic" ? What is the definitive "rule" regarding this ? As an example, someone can easily mix "off topic" content and relevant content in a same message. How is this treated? I will give you an even more relevant example. A player makes a pejorative or slanderous comment regarding someone else in his message, and this goes unaddressed by moderators. Why should the person concerned by the comments consider this fair if his reply is deemed "off topic" ?
Unfortunately we can not be on 24/7 and if a member feels any comment is slanderous/flaming towards another member, on or off topic we ask that they will report this so we can look into it. I will create a sticky thread
[puts on fire suit and chks O2 bottle] Well, not sure if I actually got the real point of this thread or not; it's a bit confused with the missing posts. What I think I understood is that M wants lots of npc/faction/etc stuff and X doesn't...? Reason I'm posting is to simply add a possibly relevant info bit. From 7 Days to Die. 7dtd recently added Traders which allowed players to sell most looted items and (w rng) buy many things they might not be able to make right at the start. It had far reaching impact. It was set up so not using the Trader was a self-imposed and serious nerf. It also dramatically eased the start of the game. Now, since 7dtd is a pretty hardcore zombie survival game, that was a jarring change to say the least. In the end (and I haven't been keeping track) there was some pretty serious butt-hurt going around. Of course there were those who really liked it, and some that passionately hated it. No idea what's become of it. I know a couple of their best modders had committed to mods that removed Traders. Point is this. Regardless of what Eleon ultimately does, the lesson to be learned is simply that adding/activating something that noticably changes what their -current- dedicated players are used to is very dicey. If a new 'thing' basically invalidates what the loyal player base is already used to, then be prepared to lose some of them. Only way around that is to intentionally make the effort to support the 'old' playstyle, and promise to do so -ahead- of time. Which of course costs dev time. Other hand is that they -do- have plans for new stuff (and they should), and of course it will change the game. Eleons advantage over 7dtd is that they have an entire galaxy to create & play with. So EGS can have very active npcs & factions, but they could also have deserted systems where -no one- has ever been. So if X wants to go off deep into unexplored space, without any helpful npcs, have at it & don't forget to write. And M can head to settled space where there's lots of alien races, conflict, what have you. Best thing about that, for all of us, is that it would support not only the more 'extreme' playstyles, but allow new ones as well. Even some hermits go into town for supplies once in a while. Me? I've crash landed on an empty world, in an unexplored arm of the galaxy and no ones coming to save me. So I'd better find some shelter and try to stay alive till morning...
You do not sound very uncivil here... You are off topic. Jokes aside, I see players disagreeing on NPCs like this: Player A wants NPCs to interact with in order to progress in the game or to have more options than simply picking up plants, mining ore or (or or...) shooting baddies and get their loot. So NPCs will give him missions to get them some plants, ore or (or or...) loot collected from an unfortunate bad guy standing in its way. Player B wants no NPCs to interact with in order to progress in the game or to have more options than simply picking up plants, mining ore or (or or...) shooting baddies and get their loot. So instead of pressing "Use" on a NPC he will press "Use" on containers. Player B will only skip one step, but I think anyone can see that both players will eventually get to the same results. If progression is "forced" through NPCs than player B has no choice, and if there are no NPCs to give missions than player A is forced to play like player B. So evidently both options should be available, so everyone will be happy. By the way, people make a great deal of dramas around using a mouse and doing a few key presses sitting in a comfy chair... They should go shoveling snow outside or pile some wood for a while. In many modern (and also old) games including "active" NPCs, there are almost always many paths to objectives: player can go directly to treasure room, bash the door open, blow up the safe and take the loot. Player can also talk to NPC x who will give him a fetch quest in exchange for a key to the vault, but player will still have to blow up the safe. Player can speak to thief Y in mission Z to get the key to the safe, but player will have to bash the vault door open. Player who don't interact at all with NPCs will go through the same amount of trouble to get the loot than the players having the most interactions with NPCs, since they will have to accomplish small missions to get the keys. So everyone has more than one choice, and everyone can get the loot.
This. Took me 3/4s of my post to say this. Ya know, between you & Scoob I'm becoming very self conscious of my poor writing skills Seriously though I really hope the devs 'get' this bit; oh oh... I just self quoted... I'm going to hell now aren't I ....
I spend much time editing / correcting / simplifying my posts, when my ideas are not clear enough to make a concise post. No big "writing skill" here, just more time spent before posting. Many times I start writing something while thinking at it, and I cancel the post because something popped into my mind I did not think about before...
sad thing is, I usually do the same, and it still comes out that way. My sis took a minor in english and teases me that I'm writing impaired... But I'm over a foot taller, and double her mass, so I just stuff her in an upper cupboard cabinet when she gets uppity ... though I suppose refering to her as, "pocket sis", "mini-nag", "speedbump" & "glamour bunny" could have a bit to do with it. and lately, as she's been leaning towards vegetarianism, I tease her with,"you know, ya better take up running, cause you're what my Food eats." Joking aside, I've been a reader my whole life and have learned to appreciate the many different ways it's possible to write well. Heck, the book the Last Ship that the TV show is very loosely based on; that guy, wow. I hadn't needed to look up a words definition in 20 years. And thanks for the tips, always appreciated
