Would advanced civilizations use forcefields for their prison cells

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  1. piddlefoot

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    Its in like every Sci Fi series ever made, from Farscape to the original Star Trek, they all have similar scripts, and then there is stargate, 5 seasons of repeat screw ups, oops I mean scripts, , going to planets and screwing them up, and then pretending to be the heros who save the day, I mean that same script was used 3000 times in Stargate, sheesh, it got so boring after 6 or 7 or 8 season, I dun remember that you started rooting for the Ori to just freeking END IT ALREADY ! lololol
     
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  2. StyxAnnihilator

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    What is a "force field"? Still it is sci-fi, a fantasy/make_believe.
    Depends on how the physics are, workings of one. Good chance such a device requires energy. So if no power, then doors get open. Power is often easy to sabotage.

    Another possibility is that can be a technology that changes phases of a substance, solid and non solid, with the use of some energy. So it looks as a force field when solid.
     
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    German Quote that I like very much: Was denkbar ist ist auch machbar! - lose Translation: It's thinkable, its doable!

    If you have two very powerful emitters /receivers that discharge high voltage with emitting and receiving sides you actually get a very dense "Force field" . An attempt to push through to such a field would killing you or bounce back objects thrown into it.
     
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  4. StyxAnnihilator

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    I think that German quote should not exist anymore and never be used again. :p
    Many quotes I see as obsolete and just a "clever" way to say things, that might not be the complete story or not valid at all, maybe even the opposite.

    Addition to energy: Might be that each force field door have a separate energy device, like capacitor or battery. So the main power needs to be off for a long time for the energy to be drained and force field down.
     
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    You will find we already do just that, there are cells all over the place on military ships and subs now days, other parts of our infrastructure also have cells or batteries built into them for the same reason, even your motherboard has cells that charge and capacitors , we effectively already practice that.
    Most new split system air cons have inverters, a special coil we can thank Mr Tesla for.
    All old style TVs, before the digital age, analog basically had small Tesla coils in them just to work, voltage step up coils.
    We owe so much to that guy Tesla its quite incredible.

    For critical systems like a prison, its a no brainer to have such redundancies.
    Now or the future.

    New prisons have a completely segregated power grid, they have backup gennies also, and the electronic door locks through the entire prison have a failsafe, if power fails they move and lock to the locked position.
    Basically if power fails, it falls back on mechanical to ensure security.

    So we are already do this sort of thing, all over the place.
     
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  6. RazzleWin

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    Let's get some facts in here.

    Tesla patented his Tesla coil circuit April 25, 1891. (Notice the word circuit used here.)

    A Tesla coil is a radio frequency oscillator that drives an air-core double-tuned resonant transformer to produce high voltages at low currents. Tesla's original circuits as well as most modern coils use a simple spark gap to excite oscillations in the tuned transformer.

    You can't transmit power from a Tesla coil over wires, because the energy wouldn't be confined to the wire. The high frequency and extra high voltage just arcs over into the air. It's not just a high voltage transformer like an ignition coil or AC power transformer. ... The Tesla coil radiates power in all directions.

    Who invented the transformer? Ottó Bláthy, Miksa Déri, Károly Zipernowsky of the Austro-Hungarian Empire First designed and used the transformer in both experimental, and commercial systems. Later on Lucien Gaulard, Sebstian Ferranti, and William Stanley perfected the design.

    When was the transformer invented? A: The property of induction was discovered in the 1830's but it wasn't until 1886 that William Stanley, working for Westinghouse built the first reliable commercial transformer. His work was built upon some rudimentary designs by the Ganz Company in Hungary (ZBD Transformer 1878), and Lucien Gaulard and John Dixon Gibbs in England.

    Nikola Tesla did not invent the transformer as some dubious sources have claimed. The Europeans mentioned above did the first work in the field. George Westinghouse, Albert Schmid, Oliver Shallenberger and Stanley made the transformer cheap to produce, and easy to adjust for final use.

    Just search for history of transformers. This is the information I was taught in high school many moons ago.
     
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    I wasnt actually talking about a transformer mate, I was talking about step up coils, used in thousands of electrical devices.
    But its ok, nothing wrong with the facts on who invented stuff, its all good info.

    We owe far more to Nicola Tesla than any single other electrical inventor out there, our entire worlds power system now runs his superior AC power transmission system, Edisons greatest achievement was not his inventions, but his ability to control the market and information, like when he used Tesla AC power to show it was dangerous because it could be used to power an electric chair, propaganda effectively gaining him massive control over markets he never should have had the ability to shape in that regard in the first place, US cities were building dozens of DC power stations in each city , just imagine if the world had taken that system over AC, thank goodness logic prevailed, because Tesla showed, by doing long distance experiments just how much more superior his understanding of electricity was and his system was.

    Credit where credit is due.

    Yea alot of us have done huge assignments for collage and Uni on the Tesla subject and the more you learn, the more you end up disliking Edison and his mates.

    Whats even funnier is, over 100 years ago a man had a vision of the world using power through a wireless system, which in todays world we now do at much smaller scales, confined to frequencies to keep it all safe, stop crossover, I can build a Tesla coil in my shed, that powers dozens of lights, jump on facebook and go to the page Tesla Coils are Boss.
    A crazy group of us have built many Tesla devices, the latest was just a week or two ago, and the guy has his adjuster dial a touch close on that coil for my comfort lol, but check that site out, you might find yourself building the suckers because they are not hard to build just a little tricky, but not hard.
    Anyway as I was saying, imagine if the world had taken on the wireless system over the AC cable system, it boggles my mind where our electronic side of our tech could be right now had we tried that.
    Maybe it would have failed, maybe not, we dont know the facts on that because they never did it, but the evidence Tesla collected in his experiments shows it was possible to actually do, economically viable however is a completely different criteria that government, that fund these things, go off.
    Unfortunately.

    It never boiled down to what was best, it always boiled down to what can make the most money on lines, where we can control how much you use and monitor every volt.
    Which we will charge you for.

    Ironically its not a given, but its a possibility, that we culd today be producing gigawatts of power without burning coal at all had we chosen a different system.

    The history of power is fascinating, and the Iraq battery from over a thousand years ago, even more fascinating.
    That thing has been clearly shown to hold a constant steady voltage for a prolonged period of time, of coarse we cant be 100% sure but that sure looks like the first battery ever made to me.
     
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    Would an EMP kind of device (weapon for some) be able to disable those systems?
     
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    Absolutely YES.

    The coils we make in our sheds, we never shield properly, like to a military level, Ive never seen it anyway, lead is not cheap when its thick, and the area, wow.

    But then an EMP can disable any non military system and most of the military systems too.
    So it makes little difference in that regard anyway.

    But whats really interesting is, Microwave weapons, infrared weapons, laser weapons, all can be massively boosted with Tesla style coils.
    Some go from not viable, to viable with a coil.
    Like the ones you see on Humvees.......

    Check out the link below,,,, should shine a light on it, this is a guy in his backyard, just imagine what a milti million dollar budget can do for that tech in the hands of the US airforce lol, Im sure you get it now.


    https://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2004/05/journal_homemad.html
     
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  10. Roy

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    They are used in Stargate by more advanced races. So yes I suppose they would if needed.
     
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  11. Joij

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    Wouldn't electrifying the air be dangerous? I mean what about people with metal implants? All that electricity would make the Earth's magnetic field go crazy, not to mention all the electrical conduction that would cause. Also it would fry devices with fragile electronics that can't handle the electric overload. And with the atmosphere constantly electrified and magnetized all forms of radio communication would be mucked up.

    Also don't Tesla coils have to be powered from an external power source anyway? They still require electrical input to work, and most likely that would still come from coal. They don't magically change the way electricity is produced overnight, the Second Law of Thermodynamics still applies.

    Sounds like it was the better decision for us to just use wires for power transmission. Especially so when looking at it retrospectively.
     
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  12. Pembroke

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    The force field is, I think, something that tries to do "the same thing as we're doing now but with an imagined future gadget" i.e. basically the same "trap" as in the classic past sci-fi predictions where you'd have things like human-like robots washing dishes by the sink...

    If I want to think of a realistic future and avoid the "Jetsons-syndrome" then I'd say the most likely development for how a future society would deal with the "what do we do with dangerous people?" problem is to simply use a tracking device on the prisoner. Perhaps, have a "stopping function" embedded in that device as well, if that's feasible. Then you can just have house arrest style solutions and don't need to build any actual physical prisons and the personnel to guard the convicts would be way less, maybe even done by an automatic system or AI if you have sufficient technology for that.

    The use of force fields is thus made completely irrelevant. The "track and stop" device would also work for temporary confinement needs by simply setting it to "stay within this room for now, please". Useful for police in the field as well as for POWs or basically any situation where you need to prevent people from leaving or from going to places you don't want them to go.

    It's simple, more efficient, costs less, solves the current problem of first-time convicts getting recruited by criminal gangs, and indeed would generally allow the convict to remain connected to the society and continue working, studying, and interacting with others and thus improve rehabilitation. He'd just be restricted in where he can go and when, and be under constant surveillance thus preventing him from doing any more harm.

    I base this prediction on the "open-prison systems" that some countries *already* have that work under the same principle except your available technology is of the modern variety. The system appears to work and produce results so seems logical to assume that you'd improve and extend it with the available tools as technology progresses.
     
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