Not a bug Blocks vanishing, but still technically there, no way to repair it.

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  1. Nimmanu

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    I have created a Capital Vessel which was doing great until today. Suddenly it sprouted holes in it. The game knows the blocks exist there, but they leave a gaping view into the guts of the ship. The blocks "disappeared" spontaneously while I was working on the ship, it was not when I spawned it.

    EDIT: My friend helped me and we figured this out. The problem is the kinked pipe and the L pipe adjacent to each other. So, now I have solved it at least well enough that I can stop it from destroying my builds anymore. ;)

    The following is a commentary on my attempts to fix it and may not be interesting or useful. I have attached 2 files, one is a bugged version and one is 2 hours older and is healthy. The holes are located on the bottom of the ship and if you fly up into the hole, in the ceiling above that, in the same spot. One of the lowest section windows also has a missing section.

    I did save it, but I have an older blueprint with around 2 hours less work on it. That one has no glitched blocks that I have found. The saved one with the glitched blocks, I saved for the purpose of making this report (and in hopes of salvaging the build).

    A save game is not necessary because it appears consistently in any world, etc. I have tried everything I could to fix it. I used the N building panel, and unfortunately, the build is completely ruined because even though technically those blocks are "there," they can't be removed or anything. Can't be filled in, can't be deleted, can't be replaced in any way using that tool or any other.

    The only thing I have found which fixes this (sometimes) is to make a new "CV starter" block and copy and paste the entire build onto it. While that usually works, it doesn't always, and so far it has not for this build (unlike my base build).
     

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  2. Nimmanu

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    Repeatable and verifiable. In the attached photo, please see the image. The configuration of the RED ones in relation to each other creates the "holes". Then blocks that are added to them seem to "extend" the hole/ gap. It can be reproduced and consistently creates the same issue.

    The spikey tip also with the corners causes it.

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  3. Nimmanu

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    Here is my other build where this happened. I highlighted in red the corner at question. However, there are also others highlighted with dark orange with yellow light. If you flip those fences around, you'll notice the "hole" appears and disappears. My friend believes this is due to the optimization where it attempts to hide "unnecessary" surfaces. These can each be removed or rotated and you'll find that it causes and uncauses the bug.

    If you use godmode to clip into and out of the pipes, you'll see the problem with where the faces inside of the pipes are and are NOT being hidden. You'll see a side of the pipe NOT hidden while a hole appears elsewhere in the build, as you rotate them in place using multitool.
     

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  4. Pantera

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    It appears you have gone over the unity chunk triangle count limit by placing too may of the pipes blocks which are expensive blocks

    In the screenshots shots you should see I ave removed 2 pipe blocks & some of the removed blocks become visible again.

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    If or when we can improve this situation with such blocks we will approach it (in fact there may be some improvements not that far away but no ETA as of this reply).

    For now your only solution is to remove some of the pipe blocks.
     
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    Yes, I have removed some, thank you. I thought you might want to know what we figured out. I have placed a good number of other blocks and other pipe blocks in general (since removing those). I honestly don't think that there's a "number limit" on them, or I would not have been able to place more.

    I removed the offending ones, and I also edited in about the optimization / visual hiding of the block surfaces.

    Wishing you all the best in getting it fixed! Love your game, really enjoy and appreciate it!
     
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    @Nimmanu : the pipes and all blocks with round shapes are the worse for building large ships and structures, they often cause this kind of issue. Some builders (thinking of @Siege Inc. here) noticed that a long time ago. Games love triangles, but they hate curves. ;)
     
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    I also want to say, I'm very impressed and appreciative of the fast and pleasant response, @Pantera

    I'm picking up on that, @Kassonnade but I have found that in every case where I've gotten this issue, it has been pipe blocks, and that rotating them in position actually can remove the hole. It seems to have everything to do with the visual optimization. If you place cubes with the offending blocks, it expands the hole. If you place blocks elsewhere, it doesn't. It's directly connected. I'm a fan of HUGE builds, so I end up with this little bug a lot. Peculiar how sometimes the copy/paste method words, lol.
     
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